Srimad Bhagavatam 1.15.9
om namo bhagavate vasudevaya
So, today we are diving even deeper into that sweet nectarean ocean of the Srimad Bhagavatam, First Canto, Chapter 15, text number 9.
yat-tejasa nrpa-siro-nghrim ahan makhartham
yat — whose; tejasa — by influence; nrpa-sirah-anghrim — one whose feet are adored by the heads of kings; ahan — killed; makha-artham — for the sacrifice; aryah— respectable; anujah — younger brother; tava — your; gaja-ayuta — ten thousand elephants; sattva-viryah — powerful existence; tena — by him; ahrtah — collected; pramatha-natha — the lord of the ghosts (Mahabhairava); makhaya — for sacrifice; bhupah — kings; yat-mocitan — by whom they were released; tat-anayan — all of them brought; balim — taxes; adhvare — presented; te — your.
Sankarshan das Adhikari: So, just see what is the strength of this Bhima, he could kill 10,000 elephants. What is the position of ksatriyas nowadays? Who can possess the strength of 10,000 elephants? There is no such strength today in the ksatriyas. In the Vedic times, everyone was very powerful in their particular duty. The brahmanas were very, very expert in chanting of mantras, the ksatriyas were very expert in the power of fighting, the vaisyas were very expert at taking care of the cows and the sudras were very dedicated loyal workers. But nowadays the Vedic culture is finished. Everyone is less than a sudra actually. So, this is a very interesting pastime of Krishna.
We can see another aspect of Vedic culture here. They have come to kill Jarasandha and they are being accepted as guests. He is giving them nice living facilities; he is feeding them very nicely. In the evening they are having some very nice conversations and entertainment just like close family members. And then in the daytime Bhima and Jarasandha they are fighting to the death. So, where is that kind of culture now? As soon as we have a disagreement with a devotee, we never want to talk to him ever again. If we are actually in Vedic mood we may disagree with someone very strongly but we still should be loving brothers.
So in our ISKCON, we can learn from this lila, how to keep a nice family spirit even though we may disagree with each other. Our goal is we want to re-establish Vedic culture on this planet. Just like they are cooking up breakfast in the kitchen, we are cooking up a spiritual revolution. We want to bring back a Satya Yuga type of atmosphere on this planet. So Prabhupada has begun by creating a class of brahmanas, so we have to become actual brahmanas. And once the head of the social body is there, the other parts of the body will come. So, we have to study in the Bhagavad-gita the qualities of brahmanas.
samo damas tapah saucam
Controlling the mind, controlling the senses, being austere that means rising early, being clean, "ksantir"- being very peaceful, not agitated disturbed mind, "arjavam"-being very honest, "jñanam"-having very good understanding of the Vedic wisdom, "Vijñanam"- putting that knowledge into practice. "brahma-karma svabhava-jam"- these are the qualities by which the brahmanas work.
Nowadays in India so many people they want to say “Yes, I am a brahmana". They wear the brahmana thread and they eat meat. So, this brahminical culture is dead in India. There is no brahminical culture. And when you go to the temple, these so called brahmanas, they just harass you for money.
Vishnupriya Mataji and I, we went to one temple, Sakshi Gopal temple that is located in between Bhubaneshwar and Jagannatha Puri. So we went there and they said, "Well, only Hindus can have darsana". So mataji was allowed to go in for darsana but I was not. And then I said, "Well, alright" and then I gave them a 100 rupee donation. And then I went to some room where they would let me see the roof of the temple building. So, I was peaceful, I was humble. What can you do? Whatever mercy I can get of Sakshi Gopal I will take it. So even if I could see the roof of this temple that is alright. I wasn't angry, that they wouldn't let me have the darsana. With feelings of kindness in my heart I gave them the 100 rupees. I wasn't holding any grudge or anything. So, Mataji came out from the darsana, and I came down from my little observation room and we were going back to the taxi to go on to Puri. But then I was surrounded by all these brahmanas, these so-called brahmanas, the panditas, they surrounded us. And they said, “You have given money for the Deity, now you have to give money for the brahmanas also”. Every single brahmana, he wanted his personal donation. Just like if you attack a beehive, you will be surrounded by angry bees stinging you and you may be running away but they will stay with you stinging you and biting you. So, we began moving very quickly toward the taxi cab and they were yelling and screaming and holding out their hands and demanding money. I became fearful that they may try to rob me. So, we got to the taxi cab as quickly as we could. We got in the car and we shut the doors, but we didn't roll up the windows fast enough. [Laughter] Their hands were sticking in the windows and they were yelling, “Rupees, rupees, rupees for the brahmanas!” So, somehow we got their hands off, rolled up the windows and they were shouting and followed the car. And the poor driver who was sitting there bewildered, we said, "Drive". Then he started driving and we got out of there. So in India, these are called the brahmanas. So now we know why Prabhupada is creating a class of brahmanas. Brahmana is actually a guru isn't it? In Vedic culture, this brahmana, he is the spiritual master of the human society. So, we have to take those brahmanas at Sakshi Gopal as our gurus. Guru means we learn a lesson from them. So, what is the lesson we learned from those panditas at Sakshi Gopal mandira? Don't behave like them. That is the lesson they have taught us, “Don't behave like me because I am a rascal so-called brahmana”. So, I was pointing my finger at those brahmanas, but now I am pointing my finger at all of us. We were laughing at these foolish so-called brahmanas, how ridiculous they were in this fighting, greedy spirit. But we have to see, are we acting like that sometimes? Are we thinking like that sometimes? Are we greedy and angry sometimes? We have to be very thoughtful that we don't act like those so-called panditas. Srila Prabhupada instructed us that we should be of ideal character so the people will respect us. And just by offering respect, they will make spiritual advancement.
Did you ever know that was your duty? To be so proper and saintly in your demeanor and your words and your activities that people will offer you respect and thus make spiritual advancement? That is called Vaisnava brahmana. So, we are meant to be like that. Vishnujana Maharaja, my vartma pradarsaka guru, he told me that Prabhupada said, "You are always saying, all glories to Srila Prabhupada but why not you become glorious?” We always want to glorify Srila Prabhupada. Every day we are singing “Jaya Prabhupada! Jaya Prabhupada!” but the very best glorification of Srila Prabhupada is that we all become pure devotees. Because then people will see us and say, “These Hare Krishna people, they have such noble character. So how amazing must be their founder acarya, His Divine Grace Srila Prabhupada! He must be such an amazing leader that he is creating thousands and millions of great saintly persons all over the planet”. We shouldn’t just put some tilaka on the nose and some neck beads and engage in illicit sex. Do you know that bhajana by Bhaktivinoda Thakura, about that "Kali chela". In this song, Bhaktivinoda is saying, "Here comes another Vaisnava, he has tilaka on his nose”. Actually he says, "Here comes another Kali chela". Kali chela means a devotee of Kali. So, this Kali chela he has tilaka on his nose, he has kanti mala on his neck, but behind the scenes he is having so much illicit sex. So, we must not be this Kali chela type people. We should become strict brahmacari.
There are four kinds of brahmacaris. There is brahmacari brahmacari, grhastha brahmacari, vanaprastha brahmacari and sannyasi brahmacari. So, everyone in our culture is brahmacari. Brahmacari means he only has sex for producing Krishna conscious children. As we say, “sex is for procreation, it is not for recreation.” So we must develop this proper consciousness. People think we are crazy to practice brahmacari life. They are shocked. “You only have sex for procreation? You people must be frustrated.” But the fact is we are not frustrated. We are enjoying on a higher level. yan maithunadi-grhamedhi-sukham hi tuccham. They take that to be the number one pleasure, but our pleasure is far greater - Brahma saukyam tv anantam. Krishna consciousness is a much greater pleasure. Yamunacarya from Albindro in South India, he was living as a king with much sex pleasure, but then he became a pure devotee. He has written a very nice poetry. You know that sloka? Very nice sloka he has written.
yadavadhi mama cetah krsna-padaravinde
In this way, he is singing that “Ever since I have been getting that newer and newer taste in Radha and Krishna's service, whenever I think of sex, my lips curl with distaste and I spit at the thought.”
So, the point is that we are trying to enjoy in a covered way by this material sense gratification. To enjoy in a covered way is not enjoyment. But to enjoy in an uncovered way, that is enjoyment. So, the covering is the false ego, the false identification with matter. That is a covering. Because of that covering, we are not able to enjoy, isn't it? Everyone understands this point? The covered enjoyment is not enjoyment, uncovered enjoyment that is actual enjoyment. So we have to give up this covering, that “I am a male”, “I am a female”, “I am Bulgarian”, “I am American”. These are coverings. We have to come to the naked self, the actual uncovered self. That is jivera ‘svarupa’ haya-krishnera ‘nitya dasa’, “I am the eternal servant of Krishna”. That is when we can actually enjoy.
I remember when I was first coming into this Krishna conscious movement; I had one of the original McMillan Gitas, the abridged version. I remember the day when I wrote my name in that book and I said “the eternal servant of Krishna” that was a very special moment when I wrote that down in the book. My karmi name was Steve Briggs. “Steve Briggs is the eternal servant of Krishna”. So that is the major turning point, when you realize that you are the eternal servant of Krishna. Even theoretically, you simply accept that “I am the eternal servant of Krishna”. Everybody can say that: “I am the eternal servant of Krishna.” [Devotees repeat] Doesn't that feel good to say that? Yes. That is who we are. That is Krishna consciousness, to know that "Krishna is the Supreme Personality of Godhead". [Devotees repeat] That is Krishna consciousness philosophy in a nutshell. Krishna is the Supreme Personality of Godhead, I am His eternal servant. So simply if you have that strong faith that Krishna is the Supreme Personality of Godhead and I am His eternal servant then you can become a powerful preacher of Krishna consciousness. You don't need to learn 10,000 verses. Simply know that I am His eternal servant of Krishna who is the Supreme Personality of Godhead. Srila Prabhupada wanted us to become very, very powerful preachers. You know this term "digvijaya"? It is like the Kesava Kashmiri in Caitanya lila, he is known as a digvijaya pandita. Do you know what digvijaya means? That means one who can conquer in all four directions. Srila Prabhupada, he wanted us to become digvijaya panditas. And he explained what he meant by that, in very specific and concrete terms. He said you go village to village, city to city, town to town and make digvijaya that, “There is God. I can prove there is God. Who are you to say that there is no God? Come on!” [Aside: Sri Sri Jagannatha, Baladeva, Subadhra, Gaura Nitai ki Jaya! Sri Sri Radha Damodara ki Jaya!] Prabhupada says that is digvijaya. You challenge these rascal atheists. You prove to them that there is God.
So how will you prove there is God? We can say “It says so in the Bhagavad-gita”. They say "I don't care for your Bhagavad-gita". There are so many books. So we are going to establish on the basis of logic. That every machine has an operator, isn't it? There are some cars that are parked in front of the temple. They require a driver before they will move. I have this watch. It is called self-winding correcting watch. It is self-winding, just by moving your arm, it winds it. When you play the mrdanga, you are winding the watch. If I stop moving my arm, the watch will go dead. So, this machine, the watch also requires an operator, somebody to move it. Every machine requires an operator. So, this gigantic cosmic manifestation, does it not also operate like a machine? The sun comes up in the morning, it sets in the evening, and there are seasons. It operates also like a machine. Since every machine in our experience requires an operator, so we can guess this gigantic machine also requires an operator. Therefore even just on the basis of logic, we can understand that there must be a God. So we must understand how to prove God from scripture and how to prove from logic also. This is one difference between the second-class devotee and the first-class devotee. The first-class devotee can defeat all opposing arguments. Second-class devotee has strong faith in the scripture but he cannot always defeat the opposing arguments. But the first-class devotee, Prabhupada describes, he can defeat all opposing arguments.
Devotee: How is it possible in Vedic times, persons like Bhima and Jarasandha are able to speak in the evening like best friends and fight in the morning?
SDA: So, the question is how it is possible in the Vedic culture,that everyone on one hand fights to death in the battlefield and is friendly in the evening. This is a very interesting question. It is actually a very, very amazing phenomenon how they can do that. The answer is that in the Vedic times, people were fixed in duty. They were not on the mental platform. They were solidly fixed in duty. Prabhupada gives a very nice example of duty in India. There will be some poor beggar on the street. He had a wife also. The wife was so dedicated to that beggar even though they are living under a piece of plastic on the side of the railroad track. She is so dedicated to her husband that he has a happy home life even though he is a beggar on the street. In the Western world, no woman would think of being dedicated to a beggar on the streets. But in the Vedic culture there is that spirit of duty. That under all circumstances one must stick to one's duty without any question of ever deviating. So, that is how the ksatriyas, they can sit together in the evening as friends and then fight to their death during the daytime because they are absolutely fixed in their duty. Nowadays we are so fickle and whimsical. The spiritual master gives an order and we think “Guru Maharaja has given me a suggestion”. We are so whimsical, so undutiful in this age and we are suffering because of it. If we understand the advantage of being dutiful then we should pray to Krishna for His blessings then Krishna will bless us and we can actually be dutiful. And then we will be solidly fixed in Krishna consciousness at every minute.
Devotee: These qualities of a brahmana which you quoted from Bhagavad-gita, how to understand… what does it mean to be religious?
SDA: How is it translated? What is the Sanskrit word they give for religiosity? "Astikam". Yes. We missed that one. To be religious means to surrender to Krishna. Religion is Latin, of course astikam is Sanskrit but Prabhupada has given the word religious. English word ‘religion’ comes from the Latin word ‘religio’. In the English language there is a word named ligament which refers to something which connects within the body, a ligament. So ligament is similar to link, 'that which connects'. So, religion actually means to relink with God. You actually have an eternal relationship with God. But you have run away from home like a naughty child. Now to become religious means you must reconnect with God. The English word ‘yoke’ which is what they use when they take the ox and put him on the plough. There is a yoke which sits on his back which connects him with the plough, that is called ‘yoke’. So, that English word yoke comes from the Sanskrit word "yoga". So religion and yoga is the same thing. Religion and yoga is that one same process actually which connects us with God. To be religious means that you must connect with God. So how do you do that? That is given by poet Govinda Das: [Sings]
sravana, kirtana, smarana, vandana
So, if you follow those processes, the navavidhi bhakti, the nine items of bhakti, then you will be connected very nicely with Krishna. And you will be religious and you will be a brahmana.
Devotee: For ten years I am chanting the Holy Name, unfortunately I have committed all ten offenses. Recently I realized that I am not chanting carefully. Is inattentive chanting the consequence of offenses or the cause of the offenses.
SDA: Cause of offenses?
SDA: Both. If you are inattentive you will be offensive and if you are offensive you will be inattentive. They go together. It works both ways. In other word if you don't pay attention to what you are doing, just like you are driving your car. There are ten offenses also when you are driving your car: running a red light, running a stop sign, going on the wrong side of the road, running over a policeman [laughter]. There are different aparadhas when you are driving your car. So, if you are inattentive while you are driving, you think, "Oh, I am tired. I will just take a nap while I am driving today". If you are inattentive while driving, you commit so many driving aparadhas. So, you have to pay attention to your chanting. Otherwise you will commit so many aparadhas.
Devotee: Why we don't use this communication to spiritual advancement in preaching?
SDA: We are not using?
Translator: He thinks we are not using as to the extent.
SDA: I am sending an Internet broadcast all over the world every day, "Krishna katha". I have thousands of subscribers all over the world. We were hindered today, the password went invalid. So after the class we have to do our thing. We are definitely using the modern technology. They call me the Internet guru. [Devotees cheer: Jaya!]
Translator: His question in particular is why don't we use television?
SDA: Television? I have a weekly TV show in the US. I was filmed last night for the TV. You didn't see the TV people were there last night? They made interview with me. It is coming on television a week from today. I was filmed by TV people last night.
Devotee: Why ISKCON doesn't create its own television?
SDA: Yes. You donate the money and we will do it. [Laughter] You give the money and we will have our own TV station. We will create a network of TV stations all over the whole world. You simply get the money and we will do it. [Laughter]
Translator: He says, “It is not true”.
SDA: He doesn't have money? You can’t afford to donate for a TV station?
Translator: He says why ISKCON a long time ago [not clear]
SDA: We are beggars.
Translator: “We have to print books” Srila Prabhupada says. But now times have changed and now we should put our endeavor in this more powerful.
SDA: No, no, no, no, no. Books are still the most powerful propaganda. We can use the TV to attract people to read Prabhupada's books. Books are the most powerful. I am seeing. I have my Internet course. I have 20,000 people taking my course on the Internet. But I have seen the most powerful way to get them fixed in Krishna consciousness is that they all purchase Bhagavad-gita As It Is. Because when they touch Prabhupada's books, when they read Prabhupada's books that is when they become fixed in Krishna consciousness. So, you can use all varieties of media: television, radio, movies, you can use everything, Internet, but for the purpose of getting Prabhupada's books in their hands. Because that is when they become Krishna conscious, when they get the books in their hands, when they read in their hands. Last night, one girl she was asking so many questions. I encouraged her to play her violin in the kirtana and she did so. And she was so impressed with our philosophy she purchased Srimad Bhagavatam, last night. They want the books. That is preaching. They purchase the books. That is preaching.
Devotee: I talked to the same girl. It is also good that she purchased the English Srimad Bhagavatam so she can directly associate with Srila Prabhupada not through the media.
SDA: Well, does she speak English?
Devotee: She speaks very well.
SDA: Actually, that is alright. For those who are bilingual, there is Bulgarian Gita, Bhagavatam? Is the translation good? You can read English and Bulgarian both. It is acceptable. The potency is there.
Devotee: Very often it happens that the grihastas they live outside, they are surrounded by non-devotees. As a result, sometimes they lose their enthusiasm for preaching. What do you suggest as a practical tip for reviving back the enthusiasm for like chanting, reading books? Some practical advice you could give so they can revive this enthusiasm for preaching.
SDA: Every grihasta's home should be a preaching center. You simply keep your house as a place for eating and sleeping you will be miserable. That is called grihamedhi. That is called dark well, andha kupa. So, you have to make your house a preaching center. You can also invite the devotees to come. You have program in your home, you invite the people, do kirtana, you distribute prasadam, and you read from Bhagavad-gita. Whatever friends you have, you invite them to your home and you have some program, preaching Krishna consciousness. Not everyone can live in the temple, so actually the householder he can do very valuable preaching. He can preach better than the brahmacaris, the vanaprasthas and the sannyasis in one sense because he can show how to be a grihasta, working a job, making money, raising a family and at the same time be Krishna conscious. The majority of the society is grihasta or householders. Material society is mostly householders. So, the householder devotee, he can do the greatest preaching. Because he can show how to be a householder earning money, working job, running business and still be Krishna conscious. Prabhupada says, “Householder should be paramahamsa”. So, you simply make your house into a preaching center, that is all. There are so many examples. Bhaktivinoda Thakura, he was a householder. He had twelve children. He was working in a very demanding job for the British government. But just see his writing. Just see how he would travel to the villages. He would take leave from his job, do namahatta. It was all started by Bhaktivinoda Thakura, the namahatta program. So, do not think “I am a householder, I cannot preach”. You have the best facility for preaching. So take advantage and become a preacher. I was doing that. I was fourteen years as a brahmacari then I took householder life. I was working a full time job as computer programmer. But every spare minute I was preaching. So that is the key. You have to be very dedicated. You know that famous order from Lord Caitanya:
yare dekha, tare kaha krsna-upadesa
Which type of devotee was that instruction given to? Was that given to a sannyasi? No. Was that given to a vanaprastha? No. Was that order given to a brahmacari? No. That order to become guru was given to a householder. His name was Kurma. He was a brahmana and his name was Kurma. During the rainy season in India, the caturmasya, the traveling sadhus they will stay in the home of some grihasta. So, Caitanya Mahaprabhu stayed in his home. Can you imagine if Caitanya stayed in your home? When the rainy season is over how much you will be crying, “Oh, you are leaving Caitanya Mahaprabhu. I cannot tolerate Your separation”. So, this brahmana Kurma he says, "I am coming with You, my Lord. I am taking sannyasa right now and leaving this home, this dark well of householder life". And Caitanya said, "Actually you will see Me again. He said actually, “You will never not see Me. You simply follow this instruction.
yare dekha, tare kaha krsna-upadesa
So you should take every possible opportunity at every minute for preaching Krishna consciousness. Sometimes when I have trouble with my computer, I will have to call to technical services to a company and then ask them “How to fix the problem with the computer?” And then after they have fixed the problem, then they will ask me “if there is anything else I can do for you?”[Aside: Sri Sri Radha Damodara ki Jaya! Sri Sri Jagannatha, Baladeva, Subhadra ki Jaya! Sri Sadbhuja ki Jaya! Sri Sri Gaura Nitai ki Jaya!] So, when they ask me “is there anything else they can do for me”, I say "Yes. You can chant Hare Krishna and be happy". So in this way, you can tell everyone to chant Hare Krishna and be happy in your householder life. They may not understand what is Hare Krishna but when you tell them be happy, they will feel “Oh good he is wishing that I would be happy so he must be very nice”. And if you keep telling them, "Chant Hare Krishna and be happy" finally one day they will ask “what is this Hare Krishna?” So in this way you can preach.
Devotee: I have two questions. You said that “our goal is to establish varnasrama dharma”. And how is it possible and you also you said that “people in Kali Yuga are not qualified”. And Srila Prabhupada said that “even if one percent of the population becomes Krishna conscious there will be better result”.
SDA: And so, how is it possible to establish Krishna consciousness on this planet?
Devotee: Varnasrama, if people are not qualified?
SDA: Varnasrama will naturally come. If we make Krishna the center then naturally varnasrama will develop. You don't have to artificially introduce varnasrama without Krishna consciousness. If you introduce Krishna consciousness, varnasrama will naturally manifest. Varnasrama means to build a society based on cow protection. That is the real meaning of varnasrama, establishing the society based on cow protection. So if someone becomes Krishna conscious, they will not want to eat cow anymore. If everybody becomes Krishna conscious, the slaughter houses will close. And people would want to protect the cows. If we spread Krishna consciousness, varnasrama will naturally come. A society based on cow protection will naturally emerge.
Devotee: So the second question is about Vishnujana Swami. We would like to hear something more about Vishnujana Maharaja, especially about his disappearance.
SDA: Disappearance, nobody knows for sure. It is only speculative. Actually we don't like to hear about disappearances. Just like, who likes to talk about Krishna's disappearance? I will decline to discuss his disappearance. Rather, we like to hear about his appearance. How he appeared in Austin like the Pied Piper. You know the Pied Piper? It is a mythology or a famous fiction of some piper, playing the flute, he comes into town and all the children follow him. He attracts all the children in the whole village and they all go running after the Pied Piper playing on the pipe, the flute. So Vishnujana came to Austin just like the Pied Piper. Everywhere he went the people were attracted to him. Actually at one place in the University he had no drum, he had no kartalas and he had no harmonium, all he had was his two hands and his voice. He stood on the street and started clapping his hands and singing and he attracted so many people. He attracted me in Austin, Texas. And in Michigan, he attracted Indradyumna Swami also. He attracted many, many devotees. “Because he is a nice devotee, he made many nice devotees”. That is what Prabhupada said about him. So, in this way he was very attractive. He was very, very compassionate. So, when somebody gives you that much kindness and that much love, you want to reciprocate with it, that is all.
Devotee: [Inaudible] [Banging sound with cup and spoon]
SDA: Speak louder because that cup just interrupted you. Start all over again and speak loudly.
Devotee: Start again?
SDA: Yes, start again. I didn't quite follow everything.
Devotee: [Not audible]
SDA: Can you understand what she is asking?
Visnu Priya Mataji: She is saying how we can get understanding when we get hurt from a friend and how to stay friendly with them. Is that correct?
Devotee: What understanding from Krishna consciousness should we have?
SDA: Yes. Sometimes it so happens that we have a close friendship with a devotee and there is some misunderstanding and then there is some hurt feelings. Keeping that friendship is more important than it is right or wrong, isn't it?
Devotee: Is it more important?
SDA: Yes. Don't you find it more important to keep that friendship alive than who was right or who was wrong.
SDA: Yes. So, just take a humble position. Try to see how you were wrong and they will admire you for your humility. And your relationship will not be broken.
VPM: But if the other opposite side is hurt?
SDA: You have to pacify them by your humility. And if they are not pacified, you have to become even more humble. And if they are still not pacified, then you have to become even more humble, and if they are still not pacified, you have to become even more humble. Humility has no bottom. No matter how humble you become, you can become even more humble.
VPM: And if the other person becomes more offensive, becomes more offensive, more offensive, is that Krishna consciousness?
SDA: Did Srila Prabhupada know what he was doing when he started this movement or he did not know what he was doing? He knew what he was doing. That means by Krishna's grace there is some way that we can resolve all these conflicts. My personal experience is when someone is very disturbed with you and feels that you have wronged them, if you try to correct them, “You are wrong,” it is not a very practical way to proceed. Even if they were wrong, that is not the time that you should correct them. Good humility is the answer.
VPM: You said become more humble, more humble, more humble.
SDA: Right. Until you finally pacify them.
VPM: And if they are not pacified still, that means again and again.
SDA: That means Prabhupada was wrong. We cannot have a sanga of Vaisnavas on this planet.
VPM: One may become humble but the other party does not believe and becomes offensive then their Krishna consciousness is (inaudible).
SDA: if he does not respond to the humility then that person would want to leave ISKCON sooner or later because he is not in the proper mood of a Vaisnava. But we don't like to think that way. We like to think in a positive way. The cup is half full, not half empty. And I have seen practically that if one takes on a very, very, very, very humble position, the other person will eventually come around. That is my practical experience. You can talk theoretically, but I am talking practically. And the practicality of doing this is verified by Prabhupada's absolute faith that this movement would indeed save the world, you understand?
SDA: Oh Mahendran?
Devotee: [not audible]
SDA: Oh, we have to think what Prabhupada would want also. It is not what I want or what you want, it is what Prabhupada wants. Would Prabhupada want to cancel the Ratha Yatra because there is disagreement amongst the devotees or he would say, "No, they have to tolerate their differences and the Ratha Yatra must go on". That is what Prabhupada would say. So that is the real bottom line, it is not what I want or what you want. It is what Prabhupada wants. That is what holds us together as a movement. It is not what I want or what you want. It is not my ego or your ego. It is what Prabhupada wants. If we can't think what Prabhupada wants then ISKCON is dead. But if we think what Srila Prabhupada would want if he was here, and if we don't know for sure, then we have the senior devotees. We have GBC men, sannyasis, gurus, senior devotees are here, and we can ask them. Those who were trained by Prabhupada, we can ask them. “What would Prabhupada have done in this situation? What would he want?” So Prabhupada would definitely say that, “the Ratha Yatra must go on”.
Devotee: That is exactly what we did. We said no matter what differences we have to do it.
SDA: Right. So, the GBC is the manifestation of Prabhupada's will. He said “the GBC, they are the executives of my will”. If we have unresolvable conflict, we just follow the GBC's decision. Then all the conflicts will be resolved.
Devotee: We did but it seems they were still unsatisfied and didn't come to the Ratha Yatra, then what we do now? How can we approach them?
SDA: Do you have any cookies left over? Are any cookies left over from the Ratha Yatra?
Devotee: I don't know.
SDA: If there are then send them some of the cookies. Give them some prasadam. Give them your love. Show them you love them. Give them prasadam. Have a special dinner just for them. It is called ‘let’s be friends' dinner’. You make the opulent feast, the nicest prasadam, everything the very best, and have a special dinner just for that group. That is very good. That special group, the clique who said 'no'. You can tell them this was my idea and not yours. If you say Iit was your idea”, they may not like it. Say, “There was one visiting devotee here and he suggested that we should do this” and just do that. Have a special dinner just for them. [To the translator]: Yes. Go ahead. Were you translating my answer? Ah. Ok. Thank you. Time is running over but since I am here only for a short time, I can take one more question.
Devotee: Every day I am preaching to 100 people because I am also selling flowers, and I am distributing also flyers for Krishna. But as a result, only one or two persons they came to the temple. Shall I start to preach even more extensively, like to preach to 400 or 500 people as a result?
SDA: Ok Alright. Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati Thakura, he opened sixty-four Gaudiya maths, in India. He had 64 temples. He said, “If I can make one pure devotee, I would sell every one of those temples”. By distributing those flyers if you can make even one person a devotee, your life is successful. If you distribute 10 million flyers and you make one person a pure devotee of Krishna, then your life is successful. So continue preaching this Krishna consciousness movement with all of your intelligence, with all of your words, with all of your money, with all of your life.
Translator: He is very pleased by this answer. At Jagannatha Puri, they won’t allow white devotees for darsana. Is it not proper?
SDA: Yes. They think so.
Translator: The question is whether it is not improper behavior on their behalf to not allow.
SDA: It is very improper. The day will come when Lord Jagannatha will not accept their service anymore. Actually Lord Jagannatha even now is not accepting their service because it is very offensive.
VPM: What is the question?
SDA: Is it proper that they don't allow white people in the Jagannatha Puri temple? Is that proper or not? It is improper and Lord Jagannatha will not accept their service. He is giving them some time to rectify their mistake. But if they don't rectify their mistake, they will lose everything.
So I said that was going to be the last question. I have to keep my word.
So, we will stop here. Thank you very much.
Srila Prabhupada ki Jaya!
Devotees: Sri Sankarshan Das Prabhu ki Jaya!
SDA: ISKCON Bulgaria Vaisnavas ki Jaya!
[Transcribed by Her Grace Bhaktin Priya]